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Episode 004 is with Doug Moran. Doug wrote the best-selling book, "If You Will Lead", a deep dive into leadership using the Rudyard Kipling's "If" as a backdrop. We talk about why this poem had such an impact on Doug and the process he went through in writing the book.

We also dive into modern-day leaderships and Doug shares thoughts on the key aspects of leadership. Doug delivers a lot of value in our nearly one hour of conversation.

The opening poem is recited by my 18-year old son, Casey Green. Casey is a student of literature and is a bit of an orator himself.

I encourage you to pick up a copy of Doug's book here. I've read it and highly recommend it. It's also available on Kindle.

To find Doug, you can connect with him on LinkedIn here. You can also visit the website of this two companies - The Co-Hero Institute and If You Will Lead

NOTE: One of the hazards of a "traveling podcast" is that we are at the mercy of the environment. In this interview, we were dealing with "white noise" that was blasting in the background. Any discomfort in listening is my fault - not Doug's. You may have to adjust the volume.

If you know someone in the Richmond area that would make for an interesting guest on our show, please email me at robin.green@sandler.com.

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